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MAS 36 1955
big Sam 08 Juin 2013, 12:08
bonjour à tous,
je viens de rajouter un Mas36 dans ma collection, rien de plus banal si ce n'est qu'il n'a pas était modifié en arsenal dans les années 60
il est donc resté dans sa finition d'origine,daté de 1955 et au n°
crosse en platane dirait-on !?
je viens de rajouter un Mas36 dans ma collection, rien de plus banal si ce n'est qu'il n'a pas était modifié en arsenal dans les années 60
il est donc resté dans sa finition d'origine,daté de 1955 et au n°
crosse en platane dirait-on !?
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Autorisation de fabrication et de commerce de matériels de guerre,
catégorie A1, A2 et B.
Déclaration commerce armes et munitions du 11 juin 2009.
N°49
Autorisation de fabrication et de commerce de matériels de guerre,
catégorie A1, A2 et B.
Déclaration commerce armes et munitions du 11 juin 2009.
N°49
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Re: MAS 36 1955
dédé Dim 09 Juin 2013, 12:35
big a écrit:bonjour à tous,
je viens de rajouter un Mas36 dans ma collection, rien de plus banal si ce n'est qu'il n'a pas était modifié en arsenal dans les années 60
il est donc resté dans sa finition d'origine,daté de 1955 et au n°
Qu elle différence entre un mas 36 reconditionné ?
nous sommes poussières et nous retourneront poussières
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Re: MAS 36 1955
kelt Dim 09 Juin 2013, 16:44
dédé a écrit:big a écrit:bonjour à tous,
je viens de rajouter un Mas36 dans ma collection, rien de plus banal si ce n'est qu'il n'a pas était modifié en arsenal dans les années 60
il est donc resté dans sa finition d'origine,daté de 1955 et au n°
Qu elle différence entre un mas 36 reconditionné ?
FH c'est l'avant dernière série, il est intérèssant d'en voir un exemplaire "en l'état".
Il y a une grande différence de qualité entre fabrication initiale pour usage en corps de troupe et reconditionnement avant déclassement en 3e réserve.
kelt
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Re: MAS 36 1955
Leboulanger Dim 09 Juin 2013, 18:40
Bonsoir Dédédédé a écrit:
Qu elle différence entre un mas 36 reconditionné ?
Pour répondre un peut plus clairement à ta question :
Sur les fusils , lors du reconditionnement , les pièces abimées ou usées ont été changées par des pièces de remplacement .
Ces pièces neuves de stock ne sont pas matriculées .
Il est très fréquent de rencontrer ces armes au jour d'huit avec seulement le boitier et le levier de culasse de matriculés . Et encore ...
Voici un exemple d'une culasse neuve de remplacement ; tu constates qu'elle n'est pas matriculée :
L'intérêt de l'arme de super Big est qu'il n'en est rien .
Toutes les pièces sensées être matriculées lors de l'assemblage premier de l'arme y sont au numéro .
C'est un plus démontrant et assurant l'homogénéité de l'arme .
Wali ; a+
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Re: MAS 36 1955
dédé Lun 10 Juin 2013, 01:29
kelt a écrit:
FH c'est l'avant dernière série, il est intérèssant d'en voir un exemplaire "en l'état".
Il y a une grande différence de qualité entre fabrication initiale pour usage en corps de troupe et reconditionnement avant déclassement en 3e réserve.
kelt
Le reconditionnement était il systématique ? Ou ne concernait que les partie endommager ?
Question : 3 eme resserve , cela signifie quoi exactement ?
nous sommes poussières et nous retourneront poussières
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Re: MAS 36 1955
TOMEÏ Lun 10 Juin 2013, 09:41
Le reconditionnement concernait les armes conditionnées, stockées « longue durée » qui se trouvaient à l’organe mobilisateur des unités ayant en charge une unité de réserve, ou en attente dans des établissements du matériel. Elles étaient classifiées en « position 62 ».
Périodiquement, les inspecteurs du matériel déconditionnaient ces armes pour contrôle. Elles étaient ensuite reconditionnées par l’O.S.D. (Organisme de Soutien Direct), en général un E.R.M. (Etablissement Régional du Matériel) voire E.R.G.M. (Etablissement de Réserve Générale du Matériel) suivant la situation géographique de l’unité à soutenir. En principe, il n’y avait pas de réparation, les armes n’ayant jamais servi. Chaque type d’arme avait une façon particulière d’être conditionnée.
Il arrivait, parfois, que ces armes soient déconditionnées pour être mise à la disposition (autorisation ministérielle) de l’unité de réserve pour une situation particulière, manœuvres, crises ou autres.
Ne pas confondre avec réparation ou reconstruction.
Réparation : suivant la nature des pièces, par le 2ème échelon (Corps de Troupe) ou le 3ème échelon (O.S.D./E.R.M.). Remplacement des pièces usagées ou défectueuses par des pièces neuves ou de récupération d’un très bon état général.
Reconstruction : 4ème échelon (E.R.G.M.), l’arme était totalement démontée. Si sa carcasse ou boite de culasse, suivant l’arme et qui comportait le matricule principal, était en excellent état, elle était remontée avec des pièces neuves dont certaines étaient frappées au matricule de cette arme (mais pas toujours). Certaines de ces armes étaient reconnaissables par la frappe d’un rectangle dans lequel on pouvait trouver, par exemple sur un M.A.S. 36 : P 67 (reconstruite à Poitiers en 1967) ou sur un M.A.S. 49/56 : P 78 (reconstruite à Poitiers en 1978).
Le même principe était appliqué aux véhicules. Le matricule principal étant celui du châssis, si celui-ci était en parfait état tout était remplacé par des pièces et ensembles neufs. Seule l’immatriculation changeait avec le dernier chiffre de l’année de reconstruction, le chiffre du type de véhicule était augmenté de 4 et un nouveau numéro de série (XXXX) lui était attribué.
Exemple : une Jeep neuve de 1961 : 211 XXXX reconstruite en 1967 devenait : 275 XXXX
C’est à cela que l’on reconnaissait un véhicule reconstruit.
Bien entendu, j’écris au passé n’étant plus au courant des « nouvelles normes », avec tous les changements successifs intervenus depuis 1990.
Le service du matériel étant devenu arme du matériel et les ERM ou ERGM devenus R.MAT (Régiment du MATériel) ou BSMAT (Base de Soutien du MATériel).
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joselito Ven 06 Déc 2013, 14:48
je remonte ce sujet car je n'arrive pas à trouver de tableaux avec les dates et N° de série pour les Mas 36 de Type 2...
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Re: MAS 36 1955
big Lun 21 Juil 2014, 18:10
j'avais récupéré cette liste sur un forum US dont certains ici sont membres
G 106 October 1937 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver ["S" at 3 o'clock in cartouche] i.e.,["S" @ 3 o'clock]
G 11X October 1937
G 156 October 1937 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps/ Barrel top-FULL SERIAL NUMBER ["S" @ 3 o'clock]
G 2494 February 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver ["S" at 3 o'clock in cartouche]
G 6241 March 1938 /Type 1/1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps/ Barrel top-FULL SERIAL NUMBER, "E" & ["G" in shield] / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1937 [S@3o'clock]
G 11803 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps/ Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in shield] / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1938
G 12387 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps
G 12806 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in shield] / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1938
G 167XX September 1938
G 20268 Unknown 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 325XX February 1939
G 34140 Unknown /Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"G" MAT 1937
G 347XX February 1939
G 35223 February 1939
G 38031 February 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [No "LK5" or numbered grip flat]
G 38551 February 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /"LK5" MARKED stock / Barrel flat-MAT 1938
G 386XX February 1939
G 38867 February 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 405XX Unknown 1939 /"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat-MAT 1938
G 40766 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" / Barrel flat "C" MAT 1938
G 42XXX March 1939
G 42570 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat "A" MAT 1937 / [Grip Flat unmarked/unnumbered, No "LK" mark]
G 42619 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,(?), stamps
G 432XX March 1939 /Type 1a band / Barrel flat MAT 1938
G 43351 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, /Barrel flat "A" MAT 1937
G 45078 April 1939
G 453XX April 1939
G 46761 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver /[S@3 o'clock]
G 46761 April 1939 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver /Barrel flat MAT 1938 /[S @ 3 o,clock]
G 46901 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G,
G 47381 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-
G 47602 April 1939
G 512XX May 1939 /Type 1a band /Barrel flat-MAT 1938
G 52733 May 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E", L,M,G stamps (?) [S@3 o'clock] "C" MAT 1938, "E" stamp to upper barrel
G 56624 June 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 57353 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 61474 June 1939
G 63627 June 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 67719 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 6913X July 1939 /Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 69739 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 70042 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 72263 August 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [S@3o'clock]
G 73351 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 74981 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 75895 August 1939
G 76275 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1938 [S@3o'clock]
G 76328 Unknown 1939
G 77597 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat-"LY" SACM 1938
G 78767 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 80708 September 1939 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /"LK5" MARKED stock
G 81238 September 1939 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [S@3o'clock]
G 84965 September 1939 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E" [Matching, Unmodified, but blued rather than 'stoved']
G 85722 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver
G 85949 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [S@3o'clock]
G 91765 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver
G 92078 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Bolt stem-UNPREFIXED #414
G 95914 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [Grip Flat marked-"18"/NO "LK" on reworked stock] [S@3o'clock]
G 97504 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"AS" MAS 1939
G 98738 October 1939
G 98904 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 30 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G stamps, large "F" on wrist just behind trigger-guard
H 864 November 1939
H 4720 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939
H 5124 November 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"LK5" mark ["20" on grip flat]
H 6163 November 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939 [Large "1" just forward of grip flat]
H 8872 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939
H 11096 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 117XX December 1939-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 12757 December 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver / "LK5" MARKED stock / [Grip Flat marked-"41", 5mm case][S@3o'clock]
H 1397X December 1939
H 15568 Unknown /Type 1a band [damaged] & Type 1 receiver
H 17066 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 18661 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E", L,M,G, stamps
H 20840 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat MAT 1939
H 21000 January 1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock / [Grip Flat marked-"14"]
H 21835 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 24017 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 24237 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver- / NO "LK5" MARK / [Grip Flat marked-"10" in Large Case]
H 243XX January 1940
H 28403 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 29251 January 1940
H 33057 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1937 / [Grip Flat marked-"11", 5mm case]
H 33521 January 1940
H 34020 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"AS" MAS 1939
H 36706 unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock [Grip Flat marked-"10", 5mm case]
H 38141 February 1940 / "LK5" MARKED stock [Grip Flat marked-"23"]
H 38566 February 1940
H 40961 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [No 'LK5' or Grip flat number]
H 42587 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver / "LK5" MARKED stock [Grip flat marked-"8"]
H 45671 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 47544 Unknown /Barrel bottom flat MAT 1940
H 49756 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 54589 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 Receiver [Narvik rifle]
H 62535 March 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M, CIRCLE "C", stamps / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1939
H 63518 March 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M, CIRCLE "C", stamps
H 637XX March 1940
H 6399X March 1940
H 486 March 1940 / type 1a band-"E",L,M,G
H 72488 March 1940
H 72756 Unknown / Type 1 receiver
H 73333 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom flat-"A" MAS 1939 / Deep "MAS Mle 1936" legend stamping causing 'banner-milled' effect
H 74410 April 1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"A" MAT 1939 / [Grip Flat marked-"2", 6mm case]
H 74991 Unknown 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1940
H 753XX April 1940
H 75983 April 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M, CIRCLE "C" stamps
H 77116 April 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1940
H 78586 April 1940
H 79037 April 1940
H 80324 Unknown 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,(?), stamps / "LK(?)" MARKED stock / [Grip Flat marked-"31", 5mm case]
H 80671 April 1940
H 82477 April 1940
H 8254X April 1940
H 82932 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 83120 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,(?) stamps
H 84344 Unknown 1940 / Type 1a band & receiver
H 88989 April 1940 /Type 1a & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel flat-"A" MF 1940 / [First confirmed MANUFRANCE & Type 2 Factory Receiver]
H 91525 Unknown 1940 / Barrel flat-MAT 1940
H 963XX April 1940
H 96738 MAY 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 375 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE - Beech forearm
J 1850 Unknown [bolt only]
J 3372 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
J 3381 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel flat-"A" MF 1940 / Barrel top "E" - MANUFRANCE
J 3823 May 1940
J 3882 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 4868 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",ML,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
J 6187 Unknown 1940
J 8222 May 1940 / Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 8254 May 1940
J 8500 May 1940 / Type 1a band & Type2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 12970 Unknown / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-
J 18082 Unknown / Type 2 receiver
J 18711 May 1940 / Type 2 receiver
J 18920 May 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock
J 20233 June 1940
J 21044 Unknown / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Barrel bottom flats-"A" MAS 1940
J 21355 May(?) 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
J 24310 Unknown / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver- Only "E" & ONE OTHER STAMP[May be "MF"] on receiver ring / LK5 MARKED / [Grip Flat marked 20 in 5mm case] NO CARTOUCHE on an UNREWORKED, matching numbered STOCK! Receiver S/N PREFIX is a LATIN "I" [All Other Numbers are the Script "J" & Match]
K 2043 Unknown 1940 /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
K 2502 May 1940
K 2531 Unknown 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, / Barrel bottom flat-"A" MAT 1940
K 3074 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-
K 3184 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Barrel bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1940 / [BEECH STOCK appears to have original Serial Number?] "LK5" Mark, "K" stamped over the area of "MA", within the cartouche! - MANUFRANCE
K 3462 Unknown / Barrel Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1940
K 5XXX June? 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"MF","E" - MANUFRANCE
K 66XX Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-
K 7227 June 1940 /"E", MF - MANUFRANCE
K 8493 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps, "LK5" Mark
K 9909 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 11569 June 1940 /"E", MF - MANUFRANCE
K 12185 June 1940 /MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
K 13089 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel bottom flat-"A" MF 1940 - MANUFRANCE
K 15560 June 1940 /Bolt from K 31757 /Bayonet #60 /GI (see below)
K 19786 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-
K 202XX June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel bottom flat-"A" MF 1940 - MANUFRANCE
K 20829 June 1940
K 22014 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Type 1 sight base - MANUFRANCE
K 22625 June 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"LK5" marked
K 22611 June 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E" [NO "MF" MARKINGS]
K 23391 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 24453 June 1940
K 25729 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
K 25980 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver / Barrel bottom flat-"A" MAT 1940
K 27071 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED
K 28218 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
K 28278 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
K 31567 Unknown /1940 barrel
K 31757 Unknown /Purported to be GI 1944 souvenir /RE: K 15560 bolt above /REF Post #70
L 2421 Unknown /Type 2 receiver / Barrel Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1940
L 3357 Unknown /Type 2 receiver
L 35XX June 1940
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The "MYSTERY" rifles are eccentric to serial-production. They are divided only upon the basis of whether they have been stamped with an un-prefix number, or are sterile/devoid of any numbers. The "Sterile" examples uniquely exhibit improper headspace. (Four of the nine examples listed will not close on "GO") Aside from this defect, both "Numbered" and "Sterile" units are possessed of the following anomalies:
1] They are unissued; perhaps unfired.
2] They are a collection of near-Armistice parts, some 'pickled'/acid-etched and not 'stoved'/blackened; some appearing to have been defective/rejected parts.
3] The top-flats of the rear sight have not had the stoving removed
4] Many of the spanner-notched screws appear to have been slotted before installation
5] The quality of assemblage is not as consistent, nor to the standard of serial-production examples.
6] The bayonets are from earlier rifles, or replacements of a latter-day.
7] None are import marked.
8] Some have incorrect sight-leafs, and will not shoot to point of aim.
9] They all have 'Type 2' factory receivers, some of the later type.
10] Some have a 'sticky' bolt-cap, which requires detenting the striker, and the use of a gripping tool, for removal.
MYSTERY STERILE:
[A] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Bottom barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1939 / Deep imprint of "MAS Mle 1936" legend causing a 'banner-milled' effect
[B] Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / UN-PREFIXED #4039 on bolt-stem
[C] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight
[D] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940
[E] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom barrel flat-"C" MAT 1940
[F] Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight
[G] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight
[H] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Stoved except for the bolt & cap
[I] Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight
[J] Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight [Bolt marked #54 on outer stem] Stoved except upper-band, bolt-body, slider & ferrules
These STERILE rifles appear to be as numerous, if not more so, than the "Numbered" examples. However, due to their nature, it is difficult to avoid double entries. I have settled upon the above as a representitive sampling, but will make further entries contingent upon any unique features which are observed.
Exclusive to the "Numbered" examples:
1] The font of the numbering to very different than that which is used upon the serialized rifles.
2] The bolt-stems, when marked, are numbered upon the outboard side.
MYSTERY NUMBERED
# 34 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Stoved except bolt, upper-band, handguard ferrules & forearm fulcrum-tang
# 54 unknown /Un-stoved bolt only, from [J] above
# 98 Unknown /Un-stoved bolt only, from # 470, below
# 11X Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Bottom barrel flat-"NE" MAS 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER]
# 151 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Stoved except bolt-body, ferrules, lower-band, fulcrum-tang, sight-slider
# 171 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER]
# 2XX Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Stoved except for the bolt, ferrules, sight-slider & lower-band
# 282 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940
# 319 Unknown
# 320 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver
# 342 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver [missing threaded grommet] /Type 1 rear sight / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Stoved except for the bolt, middle band, ferrules, sight-slider & fulcrum tang / Bottom barrel flat-"C MAT 1940 / deep "MAS Mle 1936" legend stamping causing 'banner-milled' effect
# 344 Unknown /'stoved' except for bolt which is NOT serialized
# 356 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver
# 360 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAS 1940 / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Barreled-receiver was never stoved
# 373 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver
# 414 Unknown /Bolt only [REF: G 92078]
# 420 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Bottom barrel flat-"C" MAT 1940 / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Barreled receiver & bolt were never stoved
# 432 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"?" / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Non-Matching die set used for the "2"]
# 470 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Stoved except for handguard ferrule, lower band, rear sight slider & mis-matched bolt [# 98 on outboard bolt-stem]
# 486 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER]
# 4039 Unknown /Bolt only [Reported on "Mystery Sterile" Line 'B']
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TIR REDUIT.
22 calibre, full size MAS 1936 training rifle, made for and accepted by the Vichy military. By all indications this production run appears to be a minor footnote, with little more than 1,000 units being fabricated per month, at least during the first four months. But it is the earliest documented series to incorporate all of the design changes that make the post-Liberation "script prefix" blocks unique from the pre-June 25, 1940 Armastice, MAS 36s.
Tir reduit 5.5 L:
# 146 Unknown / Type 1b upper band [Button cross-pin thread doubler] / [S@3o'clock]
# 244 September 1941 /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine follower /Type 1b upper band / [S@3o'clock]
# 923 September 1941 /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine follower /Type 1b upper band
# 1036 Unknown
# 1432 September 1941 /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine followed /Type 1b upper band
# 2721 October 1941
# 3362 November 1941 / Type 2 rear sight assembly / [S@3o'clock]
# 3472 November 1941 /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine follower /Type 1b upper band /Type 1 bayonet with two (2) digit serial number on end cap. [The Barrel flat is sterile/not marked in any way]
# 4439 December 1941 /Type 2 receiver & rear sight assembly /Type 1b upper band
# 12785 May 1942 / [S@3o'clock]
# 14046 Unknown /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine follower /Type 1b upper band
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K 319XX October 1944 /1940 barrel /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight base/ Type 1 sight leaf & slider
K 32430 Unknown /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight base
K 45054 Unknown /MAS 1940 barrel
K 60166 Unknown /"A" MAS 1940 barrel
K 61223 Unknown / C.R.39 receiver
K 63785 Unknown /"A" MAS 1940 barrel /Type 2 MODIFIED rear base & sight/Type 2 lower band/Walnut stocks/[Pictures below by '28 mosin']
K 64857 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /"RG" MAS 1940 barrel /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight base
K 884XX Unknown / MAT 1945 barrel
K 94536 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /"I(?)-Y" MAS 1945
K 99798 Unknown /Type 2 receiver
L 13025 Unknown / barrel bottom flat-MAT 1945
L 27313 Unknown / Barrel bottom flat-"AS" MAS 1945
L 514XX Unknown / Barrel bottom flat-MAT 1940
L 64782 October 1945 [? reported, See L 72800 below]
L 65371 Unknown / 1945 barrel
L 65693 Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver / Type 2 rear sight / Walnut stock
L 72800 September 1945 [? eyes on, See L 64782 above] / Beech stock
L 72943 Unknown /Type 2 receiver / MAT 1945 barrel / Type 2 rear sight
L 839XX October 1945
L 910XX Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver / 1945 barrel
L 98598 Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver fabricated by MAC (marked on aft receiver below sight base) / Barrel bottom flat-"AS" MAS 1945
M 23XX Unknown / Barrel 1945
M 7977 Unknown 1945
M 128XX Unknown / Barrel 1945
M 18372 January 1946
M 22001 Unknown /Matching Script S/N on Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard
M 25965 February [year not discernable] /Type 2 upper band & Type 3 lower band /Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard / Walnut stock
M 27922 Unknown /Type 2 mag-plate and triggerguard / Beech stocks
M 28428 Unknown 1946 /Type 2 upper band & Type 3 lower /Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard / Beech stocks / mixed finish [paint & pickle]
M 33001 February [year not discernable] Type 1 mag plate / Type 2 triggerguard / Walnut stock
M 36593 March 1946 /Type 1 mag-plate /Stamped triggerguard
M 435XX March [year not discernable]
M 49760 April 1946 /"A" MAS 1946 barrel
M 59628 April 1946
M 59812 Unknown / Beech stocks/ Stamped trigger guard
M 61474 Unknown /1946 barrel
M 692XX Unknown /1946 barrel
M 75566 Unknown /Beech stocks /Type 2 rear sights
M 79798 June 1946 /Walnut stock / Matching Script S/N on Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard
M 87195 July 1946 /[S@3o'clock]
M 88590 July 1946 /[S@3o'clock]
M 91566 July 1946 /Type 2 upper band & Type 3 lower / Matching Script S/N on Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard / mixed finish [paint & pickle]
N 23738 December 1946 /Type 3 lower band / Stamped triggerguard / beech stocks / 1946 barrel / black enamel finish
N 55448 September 1947 /Type 4 band / Stamped mag plate & triggerguard / Beech stocks
N 581XX Barrel 1946
N 72977 April 1948
N 75780 Unknown 1948 /Bottom barrel flat "A" MAS 1948-["G" marked rebated muzzle] /Beech stocks
P 3469 Unknown /Stamped mag-plate & triggerguard
P 435XX Unknown /Barrel flat-"AS" MAT 1949
P 45654 Unknown /Beech stocks / 'LG 48' Configured
Q 306X April 1950
Q 9263 Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
Q 20040 Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
Q 59326 Unknown 1951 / Barrel-MAS 1951 /"E",B,G, / Beech stock
Q 73579 Unknown
Q 76747 Unknown
Q 93712 Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
FG 3072 July 1951 /'LG 48' Configured
FG 64XX Unknown
FG 299XX Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
FG 43229 Unknown /Barrel 1951
FG 483XX Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
FG 80990 Unknown /Barrel flat-MAS 1952
FH 11XXX Unknown / Barrel flat-MAS 1952 FYa
FH 12811 July 1952
FH 25945 September 1952
FH 25965 September 1952
FH 26965 September 1952
FH 45001 Unknown
FH 490XX Unknown / 'LG 48' Configured
FH 600XX February 1953 / 'LG 48' Configured
FH 81XXX Unknown
FJ 582 July 1956 (?) / "E",B,G, / Beech stock
FJ 1728 March 1955 (?)
FJ 11435 December 1956 [S@3o'clock]
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MAS Mle 1936 C.R.39 Carbine
Cursive/Script Series:
F 15XX Unknown / Type 1 band / Walnut fore-stocks / 'bare' aluminum butt-stock / Black enamel finish
F 19XX Unknown / Type 1 band / Barrel dated 1940 / Walnut fore-stock / 'bare' aluminum butt-stock / Black enamel finish / fabric sling
F 19XX Unknown / Type 1 band / Beech fore-stocks / 'bare' aluminum butt-stock / Black enamel finish / fabric sling
F 54XX Unknown / (Receiver only) / Parkerized (?)
F 194XX Unknown / Type 1 band / Beech fore-stock / 'bare' aluminum butt-stock / Blued finish (?)
F 21129 Unknown / Type 2 receiver-MAS Mle 1936 C.R.39{centered} / Beech fore & butt-stock
F 27037 Unknown / Type 2 receiver-MAS Mle 1936 CR 39{centered} / Beech fore-stock / 'bare aluminum butt-stock / Black enamel finish
F 27374 Unknown / Type 2 receiver-MAS Mle 1936 C.R.39{centered} / Stocks match but with Latin prefix / bare aluminum butt-stock
K 61223 Unknown / C.R. 39 receiver / Reworked as Mle 1936
Roman/Latin block-font Series:
F 305XX Unknown / Type 3 band / Beech fore-stock / 'green rubber' coated butt-stock / Barrel-flats "CS" MAS 1952 / Parkerized finish / leather sling
F 32947 Unknown / Bare-stock / Kit assemblage
F 338XX Unknown / Type 3 band / Beech fore-stock / 'green rubber' coated butt-stock / vertical serial number / Parkerized finish / leather sling
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MAS Mle 1936-51
F 115XX Unknown 1953
F 19307 November 1953 /Beech stocks
F 20033 November 1953 /Beech stock
F 22126 Unknown 1953
F 22705 January 1954 /Beech stock
F 27046 March 195[?]
F 48260 January 1955 /Beech stocks
F 530XX Unknown
F 600XX October 195[?] /1963 barrel /Walnut stocks
F 62568 July 1955
F 725XX Unknown
F 733XX December 1955 /Beech stocks
F 73790 December 1955 /Beech stock
F 75453 January 1956 /Beech stocks
F 87129 March 1956 /Beech stocks
F 87220 March 1956 /Beech stocks
F 92666 July 1956 /Beech stocks
F 92681 July 1956 /"E",B,G, /Beech stocks
F 94830 September 1956
F 94988 September 1956/Beech stocks
F 95014 September 1956 /Walnut stocks [S@3o'clock]
F 95172 September 1956 /Beech stocks
F 95923 September 1956
F 96877 September 1956 /Walnut stocks
F 99218 October 1956 /Walnut stocks
G 4141 Unknown 1957 /Beech stocks
G 5127 March 1957 /Beech stocks
G 14028 Unknown - "E",B,F, stamps /Beech stocks
G 16469 August 1957 /Beech stocks
G 17746 September 1957 /Beech stocks
G 19051 October 1957
G 20781 October 1957
G 20782 October 1957
G 2117X October 1957 /Beech stocks
G 23896 Unknown
G 23942 November 1957
G 24213 Unknown /Beech stocks
G 27027 Unknown 1958 /Beech stocks
G 28915 February 1958
G 32453 April 1958 /Beech stocks
G 42075 September 1958 /"E" /Beech stocks
G 44201 September 1958 /Beech stocks
G 45046 November 1958
G 45258 November 1958
G 46063 November 1958
G 46372 Unknown
G 46423 January 1959 /Beech stocks
G 46440 January 1959
G 47428 November 1958
G 106 October 1937 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver ["S" at 3 o'clock in cartouche] i.e.,["S" @ 3 o'clock]
G 11X October 1937
G 156 October 1937 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps/ Barrel top-FULL SERIAL NUMBER ["S" @ 3 o'clock]
G 2494 February 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver ["S" at 3 o'clock in cartouche]
G 6241 March 1938 /Type 1/1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps/ Barrel top-FULL SERIAL NUMBER, "E" & ["G" in shield] / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1937 [S@3o'clock]
G 11803 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps/ Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in shield] / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1938
G 12387 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps
G 12806 June 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,C, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in shield] / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1938
G 167XX September 1938
G 20268 Unknown 1938 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 325XX February 1939
G 34140 Unknown /Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"G" MAT 1937
G 347XX February 1939
G 35223 February 1939
G 38031 February 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [No "LK5" or numbered grip flat]
G 38551 February 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /"LK5" MARKED stock / Barrel flat-MAT 1938
G 386XX February 1939
G 38867 February 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 405XX Unknown 1939 /"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat-MAT 1938
G 40766 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" / Barrel flat "C" MAT 1938
G 42XXX March 1939
G 42570 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Barrel flat "A" MAT 1937 / [Grip Flat unmarked/unnumbered, No "LK" mark]
G 42619 March 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,(?), stamps
G 432XX March 1939 /Type 1a band / Barrel flat MAT 1938
G 43351 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, /Barrel flat "A" MAT 1937
G 45078 April 1939
G 453XX April 1939
G 46761 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver /[S@3 o'clock]
G 46761 April 1939 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver /Barrel flat MAT 1938 /[S @ 3 o,clock]
G 46901 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G,
G 47381 April 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-
G 47602 April 1939
G 512XX May 1939 /Type 1a band /Barrel flat-MAT 1938
G 52733 May 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E", L,M,G stamps (?) [S@3 o'clock] "C" MAT 1938, "E" stamp to upper barrel
G 56624 June 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 57353 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 61474 June 1939
G 63627 June 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /Barrel top-"E" /Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 67719 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver /Barrel flat-"C" MAT 1938
G 6913X July 1939 /Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 69739 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 70042 July 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 72263 August 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [S@3o'clock]
G 73351 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 74981 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
G 75895 August 1939
G 76275 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1938 [S@3o'clock]
G 76328 Unknown 1939
G 77597 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat-"LY" SACM 1938
G 78767 August 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
G 80708 September 1939 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps /"LK5" MARKED stock
G 81238 September 1939 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps [S@3o'clock]
G 84965 September 1939 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E" [Matching, Unmodified, but blued rather than 'stoved']
G 85722 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver
G 85949 September 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [S@3o'clock]
G 91765 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver
G 92078 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Bolt stem-UNPREFIXED #414
G 95914 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [Grip Flat marked-"18"/NO "LK" on reworked stock] [S@3o'clock]
G 97504 October 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"AS" MAS 1939
G 98738 October 1939
G 98904 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 30 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G stamps, large "F" on wrist just behind trigger-guard
H 864 November 1939
H 4720 Unknown 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939
H 5124 November 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"LK5" mark ["20" on grip flat]
H 6163 November 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939 [Large "1" just forward of grip flat]
H 8872 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"A" MAS 1939
H 11096 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 117XX December 1939-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 12757 December 1939 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver / "LK5" MARKED stock / [Grip Flat marked-"41", 5mm case][S@3o'clock]
H 1397X December 1939
H 15568 Unknown /Type 1a band [damaged] & Type 1 receiver
H 17066 December 1939 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 18661 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E", L,M,G, stamps
H 20840 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel flat MAT 1939
H 21000 January 1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock / [Grip Flat marked-"14"]
H 21835 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 24017 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 24237 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver- / NO "LK5" MARK / [Grip Flat marked-"10" in Large Case]
H 243XX January 1940
H 28403 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 29251 January 1940
H 33057 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1937 / [Grip Flat marked-"11", 5mm case]
H 33521 January 1940
H 34020 January 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Barrel flat-"AS" MAS 1939
H 36706 unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock [Grip Flat marked-"10", 5mm case]
H 38141 February 1940 / "LK5" MARKED stock [Grip Flat marked-"23"]
H 38566 February 1940
H 40961 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver [No 'LK5' or Grip flat number]
H 42587 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver / "LK5" MARKED stock [Grip flat marked-"8"]
H 45671 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 47544 Unknown /Barrel bottom flat MAT 1940
H 49756 February 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver
H 54589 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 1 Receiver [Narvik rifle]
H 62535 March 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M, CIRCLE "C", stamps / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1939
H 63518 March 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M, CIRCLE "C", stamps
H 637XX March 1940
H 6399X March 1940
H 486 March 1940 / type 1a band-"E",L,M,G
H 72488 March 1940
H 72756 Unknown / Type 1 receiver
H 73333 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom flat-"A" MAS 1939 / Deep "MAS Mle 1936" legend stamping causing 'banner-milled' effect
H 74410 April 1940 /Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom flat-"A" MAT 1939 / [Grip Flat marked-"2", 6mm case]
H 74991 Unknown 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1940
H 753XX April 1940
H 75983 April 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M, CIRCLE "C" stamps
H 77116 April 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1940
H 78586 April 1940
H 79037 April 1940
H 80324 Unknown 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,(?), stamps / "LK(?)" MARKED stock / [Grip Flat marked-"31", 5mm case]
H 80671 April 1940
H 82477 April 1940
H 8254X April 1940
H 82932 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
H 83120 April 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 MODIFIED receiver-"E",L,M,(?) stamps
H 84344 Unknown 1940 / Type 1a band & receiver
H 88989 April 1940 /Type 1a & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel flat-"A" MF 1940 / [First confirmed MANUFRANCE & Type 2 Factory Receiver]
H 91525 Unknown 1940 / Barrel flat-MAT 1940
H 963XX April 1940
H 96738 MAY 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 1 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 375 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE - Beech forearm
J 1850 Unknown [bolt only]
J 3372 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
J 3381 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel flat-"A" MF 1940 / Barrel top "E" - MANUFRANCE
J 3823 May 1940
J 3882 May 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 4868 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",ML,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
J 6187 Unknown 1940
J 8222 May 1940 / Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 8254 May 1940
J 8500 May 1940 / Type 1a band & Type2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
J 12970 Unknown / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-
J 18082 Unknown / Type 2 receiver
J 18711 May 1940 / Type 2 receiver
J 18920 May 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED stock
J 20233 June 1940
J 21044 Unknown / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Barrel bottom flats-"A" MAS 1940
J 21355 May(?) 1940 / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
J 24310 Unknown / Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver- Only "E" & ONE OTHER STAMP[May be "MF"] on receiver ring / LK5 MARKED / [Grip Flat marked 20 in 5mm case] NO CARTOUCHE on an UNREWORKED, matching numbered STOCK! Receiver S/N PREFIX is a LATIN "I" [All Other Numbers are the Script "J" & Match]
K 2043 Unknown 1940 /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
K 2502 May 1940
K 2531 Unknown 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, / Barrel bottom flat-"A" MAT 1940
K 3074 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-
K 3184 May 1940 /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Barrel bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1940 / [BEECH STOCK appears to have original Serial Number?] "LK5" Mark, "K" stamped over the area of "MA", within the cartouche! - MANUFRANCE
K 3462 Unknown / Barrel Bottom flat-"RG" MAS 1940
K 5XXX June? 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"MF","E" - MANUFRANCE
K 66XX Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-
K 7227 June 1940 /"E", MF - MANUFRANCE
K 8493 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps, "LK5" Mark
K 9909 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 11569 June 1940 /"E", MF - MANUFRANCE
K 12185 June 1940 /MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
K 13089 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel bottom flat-"A" MF 1940 - MANUFRANCE
K 15560 June 1940 /Bolt from K 31757 /Bayonet #60 /GI (see below)
K 19786 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-
K 202XX June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Barrel bottom flat-"A" MF 1940 - MANUFRANCE
K 20829 June 1940
K 22014 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps / Type 1 sight base - MANUFRANCE
K 22625 June 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"LK5" marked
K 22611 June 1940 /Type 2 receiver-"E" [NO "MF" MARKINGS]
K 23391 Unknown /Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps
K 24453 June 1940
K 25729 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver
K 25980 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver / Barrel bottom flat-"A" MAT 1940
K 27071 June 1940 /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver-"E",L,M,G, stamps / "LK5" MARKED
K 28218 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
K 28278 June 1940 /Type 1c band & Type 2 receiver-MF,"E",MF,L,M, stamps - MANUFRANCE
K 31567 Unknown /1940 barrel
K 31757 Unknown /Purported to be GI 1944 souvenir /RE: K 15560 bolt above /REF Post #70
L 2421 Unknown /Type 2 receiver / Barrel Bottom flat-"C" MAT 1940
L 3357 Unknown /Type 2 receiver
L 35XX June 1940
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The "MYSTERY" rifles are eccentric to serial-production. They are divided only upon the basis of whether they have been stamped with an un-prefix number, or are sterile/devoid of any numbers. The "Sterile" examples uniquely exhibit improper headspace. (Four of the nine examples listed will not close on "GO") Aside from this defect, both "Numbered" and "Sterile" units are possessed of the following anomalies:
1] They are unissued; perhaps unfired.
2] They are a collection of near-Armistice parts, some 'pickled'/acid-etched and not 'stoved'/blackened; some appearing to have been defective/rejected parts.
3] The top-flats of the rear sight have not had the stoving removed
4] Many of the spanner-notched screws appear to have been slotted before installation
5] The quality of assemblage is not as consistent, nor to the standard of serial-production examples.
6] The bayonets are from earlier rifles, or replacements of a latter-day.
7] None are import marked.
8] Some have incorrect sight-leafs, and will not shoot to point of aim.
9] They all have 'Type 2' factory receivers, some of the later type.
10] Some have a 'sticky' bolt-cap, which requires detenting the striker, and the use of a gripping tool, for removal.
MYSTERY STERILE:
[A] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" & ["G" in circle] / Bottom barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1939 / Deep imprint of "MAS Mle 1936" legend causing a 'banner-milled' effect
[B] Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / UN-PREFIXED #4039 on bolt-stem
[C] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight
[D] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940
[E] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom barrel flat-"C" MAT 1940
[F] Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight
[G] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight
[H] Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Stoved except for the bolt & cap
[I] Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight
[J] Unknown /Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight [Bolt marked #54 on outer stem] Stoved except upper-band, bolt-body, slider & ferrules
These STERILE rifles appear to be as numerous, if not more so, than the "Numbered" examples. However, due to their nature, it is difficult to avoid double entries. I have settled upon the above as a representitive sampling, but will make further entries contingent upon any unique features which are observed.
Exclusive to the "Numbered" examples:
1] The font of the numbering to very different than that which is used upon the serialized rifles.
2] The bolt-stems, when marked, are numbered upon the outboard side.
MYSTERY NUMBERED
# 34 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Stoved except bolt, upper-band, handguard ferrules & forearm fulcrum-tang
# 54 unknown /Un-stoved bolt only, from [J] above
# 98 Unknown /Un-stoved bolt only, from # 470, below
# 11X Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Bottom barrel flat-"NE" MAS 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER]
# 151 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Stoved except bolt-body, ferrules, lower-band, fulcrum-tang, sight-slider
# 171 Unknown /Type 1a band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER]
# 2XX Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Stoved except for the bolt, ferrules, sight-slider & lower-band
# 282 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940
# 319 Unknown
# 320 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver
# 342 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver [missing threaded grommet] /Type 1 rear sight / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Stoved except for the bolt, middle band, ferrules, sight-slider & fulcrum tang / Bottom barrel flat-"C MAT 1940 / deep "MAS Mle 1936" legend stamping causing 'banner-milled' effect
# 344 Unknown /'stoved' except for bolt which is NOT serialized
# 356 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver
# 360 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAS 1940 / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Barreled-receiver was never stoved
# 373 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver
# 414 Unknown /Bolt only [REF: G 92078]
# 420 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Bottom barrel flat-"C" MAT 1940 / [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Barreled receiver & bolt were never stoved
# 432 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"?" / Bottom barrel flat-"A" MAT 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER] Non-Matching die set used for the "2"]
# 470 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Stoved except for handguard ferrule, lower band, rear sight slider & mis-matched bolt [# 98 on outboard bolt-stem]
# 486 Unknown /Type 1b band & Type 2 receiver /Type 1 rear sight / Barrel top-"E" ["G" in circle] / Bottom barrel flat-"RG" MAS 1940 [Outboard bolt-stem NUMBERED TO RECEIVER]
# 4039 Unknown /Bolt only [Reported on "Mystery Sterile" Line 'B']
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TIR REDUIT.
22 calibre, full size MAS 1936 training rifle, made for and accepted by the Vichy military. By all indications this production run appears to be a minor footnote, with little more than 1,000 units being fabricated per month, at least during the first four months. But it is the earliest documented series to incorporate all of the design changes that make the post-Liberation "script prefix" blocks unique from the pre-June 25, 1940 Armastice, MAS 36s.
Tir reduit 5.5 L:
# 146 Unknown / Type 1b upper band [Button cross-pin thread doubler] / [S@3o'clock]
# 244 September 1941 /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine follower /Type 1b upper band / [S@3o'clock]
# 923 September 1941 /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine follower /Type 1b upper band
# 1036 Unknown
# 1432 September 1941 /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine followed /Type 1b upper band
# 2721 October 1941
# 3362 November 1941 / Type 2 rear sight assembly / [S@3o'clock]
# 3472 November 1941 /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine follower /Type 1b upper band /Type 1 bayonet with two (2) digit serial number on end cap. [The Barrel flat is sterile/not marked in any way]
# 4439 December 1941 /Type 2 receiver & rear sight assembly /Type 1b upper band
# 12785 May 1942 / [S@3o'clock]
# 14046 Unknown /Type 2 receiver, rear sight assembly & magazine follower /Type 1b upper band
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K 319XX October 1944 /1940 barrel /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight base/ Type 1 sight leaf & slider
K 32430 Unknown /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight base
K 45054 Unknown /MAS 1940 barrel
K 60166 Unknown /"A" MAS 1940 barrel
K 61223 Unknown / C.R.39 receiver
K 63785 Unknown /"A" MAS 1940 barrel /Type 2 MODIFIED rear base & sight/Type 2 lower band/Walnut stocks/[Pictures below by '28 mosin']
K 64857 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /"RG" MAS 1940 barrel /Type 2 MODIFIED rear sight base
K 884XX Unknown / MAT 1945 barrel
K 94536 Unknown /Type 2 receiver /"I(?)-Y" MAS 1945
K 99798 Unknown /Type 2 receiver
L 13025 Unknown / barrel bottom flat-MAT 1945
L 27313 Unknown / Barrel bottom flat-"AS" MAS 1945
L 514XX Unknown / Barrel bottom flat-MAT 1940
L 64782 October 1945 [? reported, See L 72800 below]
L 65371 Unknown / 1945 barrel
L 65693 Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver / Type 2 rear sight / Walnut stock
L 72800 September 1945 [? eyes on, See L 64782 above] / Beech stock
L 72943 Unknown /Type 2 receiver / MAT 1945 barrel / Type 2 rear sight
L 839XX October 1945
L 910XX Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver / 1945 barrel
L 98598 Unknown 1945 /Type 2 receiver fabricated by MAC (marked on aft receiver below sight base) / Barrel bottom flat-"AS" MAS 1945
M 23XX Unknown / Barrel 1945
M 7977 Unknown 1945
M 128XX Unknown / Barrel 1945
M 18372 January 1946
M 22001 Unknown /Matching Script S/N on Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard
M 25965 February [year not discernable] /Type 2 upper band & Type 3 lower band /Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard / Walnut stock
M 27922 Unknown /Type 2 mag-plate and triggerguard / Beech stocks
M 28428 Unknown 1946 /Type 2 upper band & Type 3 lower /Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard / Beech stocks / mixed finish [paint & pickle]
M 33001 February [year not discernable] Type 1 mag plate / Type 2 triggerguard / Walnut stock
M 36593 March 1946 /Type 1 mag-plate /Stamped triggerguard
M 435XX March [year not discernable]
M 49760 April 1946 /"A" MAS 1946 barrel
M 59628 April 1946
M 59812 Unknown / Beech stocks/ Stamped trigger guard
M 61474 Unknown /1946 barrel
M 692XX Unknown /1946 barrel
M 75566 Unknown /Beech stocks /Type 2 rear sights
M 79798 June 1946 /Walnut stock / Matching Script S/N on Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard
M 87195 July 1946 /[S@3o'clock]
M 88590 July 1946 /[S@3o'clock]
M 91566 July 1946 /Type 2 upper band & Type 3 lower / Matching Script S/N on Type 2, stamped mag plate & triggerguard / mixed finish [paint & pickle]
N 23738 December 1946 /Type 3 lower band / Stamped triggerguard / beech stocks / 1946 barrel / black enamel finish
N 55448 September 1947 /Type 4 band / Stamped mag plate & triggerguard / Beech stocks
N 581XX Barrel 1946
N 72977 April 1948
N 75780 Unknown 1948 /Bottom barrel flat "A" MAS 1948-["G" marked rebated muzzle] /Beech stocks
P 3469 Unknown /Stamped mag-plate & triggerguard
P 435XX Unknown /Barrel flat-"AS" MAT 1949
P 45654 Unknown /Beech stocks / 'LG 48' Configured
Q 306X April 1950
Q 9263 Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
Q 20040 Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
Q 59326 Unknown 1951 / Barrel-MAS 1951 /"E",B,G, / Beech stock
Q 73579 Unknown
Q 76747 Unknown
Q 93712 Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
FG 3072 July 1951 /'LG 48' Configured
FG 64XX Unknown
FG 299XX Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
FG 43229 Unknown /Barrel 1951
FG 483XX Unknown /'LG 48' Configured
FG 80990 Unknown /Barrel flat-MAS 1952
FH 11XXX Unknown / Barrel flat-MAS 1952 FYa
FH 12811 July 1952
FH 25945 September 1952
FH 25965 September 1952
FH 26965 September 1952
FH 45001 Unknown
FH 490XX Unknown / 'LG 48' Configured
FH 600XX February 1953 / 'LG 48' Configured
FH 81XXX Unknown
FJ 582 July 1956 (?) / "E",B,G, / Beech stock
FJ 1728 March 1955 (?)
FJ 11435 December 1956 [S@3o'clock]
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MAS Mle 1936 C.R.39 Carbine
Cursive/Script Series:
F 15XX Unknown / Type 1 band / Walnut fore-stocks / 'bare' aluminum butt-stock / Black enamel finish
F 19XX Unknown / Type 1 band / Barrel dated 1940 / Walnut fore-stock / 'bare' aluminum butt-stock / Black enamel finish / fabric sling
F 19XX Unknown / Type 1 band / Beech fore-stocks / 'bare' aluminum butt-stock / Black enamel finish / fabric sling
F 54XX Unknown / (Receiver only) / Parkerized (?)
F 194XX Unknown / Type 1 band / Beech fore-stock / 'bare' aluminum butt-stock / Blued finish (?)
F 21129 Unknown / Type 2 receiver-MAS Mle 1936 C.R.39{centered} / Beech fore & butt-stock
F 27037 Unknown / Type 2 receiver-MAS Mle 1936 CR 39{centered} / Beech fore-stock / 'bare aluminum butt-stock / Black enamel finish
F 27374 Unknown / Type 2 receiver-MAS Mle 1936 C.R.39{centered} / Stocks match but with Latin prefix / bare aluminum butt-stock
K 61223 Unknown / C.R. 39 receiver / Reworked as Mle 1936
Roman/Latin block-font Series:
F 305XX Unknown / Type 3 band / Beech fore-stock / 'green rubber' coated butt-stock / Barrel-flats "CS" MAS 1952 / Parkerized finish / leather sling
F 32947 Unknown / Bare-stock / Kit assemblage
F 338XX Unknown / Type 3 band / Beech fore-stock / 'green rubber' coated butt-stock / vertical serial number / Parkerized finish / leather sling
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MAS Mle 1936-51
F 115XX Unknown 1953
F 19307 November 1953 /Beech stocks
F 20033 November 1953 /Beech stock
F 22126 Unknown 1953
F 22705 January 1954 /Beech stock
F 27046 March 195[?]
F 48260 January 1955 /Beech stocks
F 530XX Unknown
F 600XX October 195[?] /1963 barrel /Walnut stocks
F 62568 July 1955
F 725XX Unknown
F 733XX December 1955 /Beech stocks
F 73790 December 1955 /Beech stock
F 75453 January 1956 /Beech stocks
F 87129 March 1956 /Beech stocks
F 87220 March 1956 /Beech stocks
F 92666 July 1956 /Beech stocks
F 92681 July 1956 /"E",B,G, /Beech stocks
F 94830 September 1956
F 94988 September 1956/Beech stocks
F 95014 September 1956 /Walnut stocks [S@3o'clock]
F 95172 September 1956 /Beech stocks
F 95923 September 1956
F 96877 September 1956 /Walnut stocks
F 99218 October 1956 /Walnut stocks
G 4141 Unknown 1957 /Beech stocks
G 5127 March 1957 /Beech stocks
G 14028 Unknown - "E",B,F, stamps /Beech stocks
G 16469 August 1957 /Beech stocks
G 17746 September 1957 /Beech stocks
G 19051 October 1957
G 20781 October 1957
G 20782 October 1957
G 2117X October 1957 /Beech stocks
G 23896 Unknown
G 23942 November 1957
G 24213 Unknown /Beech stocks
G 27027 Unknown 1958 /Beech stocks
G 28915 February 1958
G 32453 April 1958 /Beech stocks
G 42075 September 1958 /"E" /Beech stocks
G 44201 September 1958 /Beech stocks
G 45046 November 1958
G 45258 November 1958
G 46063 November 1958
G 46372 Unknown
G 46423 January 1959 /Beech stocks
G 46440 January 1959
G 47428 November 1958
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Re: MAS 36 1955
Invité Lun 21 Juil 2014, 20:04
bonsoir
tres beau fusil dans sa condition d'arme ayant vecu , j'adore
super la liste des n° merci pour cette info
sympathiquement
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tres beau fusil dans sa condition d'arme ayant vecu , j'adore
super la liste des n° merci pour cette info
sympathiquement
adda
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Re: MAS 36 1955
steiff60 Lun 21 Juil 2014, 20:23
[quote="TOMEÏ"]
Le reconditionnement concernait les armes conditionnées, stockées « longue durée » qui se trouvaient à l’organe mobilisateur des unités ayant en charge une unité de réserve, ou en attente dans des établissements du matériel. Elles étaient classifiées en « position 62 ».
Périodiquement, les inspecteurs du matériel déconditionnaient ces armes pour contrôle. Elles étaient ensuite reconditionnées par l’O.S.D. (Organisme de Soutien Direct), en général un E.R.M. (Etablissement Régional du Matériel) voire E.R.G.M. (Etablissement de Réserve Générale du Matériel) suivant la situation géographique de l’unité à soutenir. En principe, il n’y avait pas de réparation, les armes n’ayant jamais servi. Chaque type d’arme avait une façon particulière d’être conditionnée.
Il arrivait, parfois, que ces armes soient déconditionnées pour être mise à la disposition (autorisation ministérielle) de l’unité de réserve pour une situation particulière, manœuvres, crises ou autres.
Ne pas confondre avec réparation ou reconstruction.
Réparation : suivant la nature des pièces, par le 2ème échelon (Corps de Troupe) ou le 3ème échelon (O.S.D./E.R.M.). Remplacement des pièces usagées ou défectueuses par des pièces neuves ou de récupération d’un très bon état général.
Reconstruction : 4ème échelon (E.R.G.M.), l’arme était totalement démontée. Si sa carcasse ou boite de culasse, suivant l’arme et qui comportait le matricule principal, était en excellent état, elle était remontée avec des pièces neuves dont certaines étaient frappées au matricule de cette arme (mais pas toujours). Certaines de ces armes étaient reconnaissables par la frappe d’un rectangle dans lequel on pouvait trouver, par exemple sur un M.A.S. 36 : P 67 (reconstruite à Poitiers en 1967) ou sur un M.A.S. 49/56 : P 78 (reconstruite à Poitiers en 1978).
Le même principe était appliqué aux véhicules. Le matricule principal étant celui du châssis, si celui-ci était en parfait état tout était remplacé par des pièces et ensembles neufs. Seule l’immatriculation changeait avec le dernier chiffre de l’année de reconstruction, le chiffre du type de véhicule était augmenté de 4 et un nouveau numéro de série (XXXX) lui était attribué.
Exemple : une Jeep neuve de 1961 : 211 XXXX reconstruite en 1967 devenait : 275 XXXX
C’est à cela que l’on reconnaissait un véhicule reconstruit.
Bien entendu, j’écris au passé n’étant plus au courant des « nouvelles normes », avec tous les changements successifs intervenus depuis 1990.
Le service du matériel étant devenu arme du matériel et les ERM ou ERGM devenus R.MAT (Régiment du MATériel) ou BSMAT (Base de Soutien du MATériel).
total respect on sent le vécu 
Le reconditionnement concernait les armes conditionnées, stockées « longue durée » qui se trouvaient à l’organe mobilisateur des unités ayant en charge une unité de réserve, ou en attente dans des établissements du matériel. Elles étaient classifiées en « position 62 ».
Périodiquement, les inspecteurs du matériel déconditionnaient ces armes pour contrôle. Elles étaient ensuite reconditionnées par l’O.S.D. (Organisme de Soutien Direct), en général un E.R.M. (Etablissement Régional du Matériel) voire E.R.G.M. (Etablissement de Réserve Générale du Matériel) suivant la situation géographique de l’unité à soutenir. En principe, il n’y avait pas de réparation, les armes n’ayant jamais servi. Chaque type d’arme avait une façon particulière d’être conditionnée.
Il arrivait, parfois, que ces armes soient déconditionnées pour être mise à la disposition (autorisation ministérielle) de l’unité de réserve pour une situation particulière, manœuvres, crises ou autres.
Ne pas confondre avec réparation ou reconstruction.
Réparation : suivant la nature des pièces, par le 2ème échelon (Corps de Troupe) ou le 3ème échelon (O.S.D./E.R.M.). Remplacement des pièces usagées ou défectueuses par des pièces neuves ou de récupération d’un très bon état général.
Reconstruction : 4ème échelon (E.R.G.M.), l’arme était totalement démontée. Si sa carcasse ou boite de culasse, suivant l’arme et qui comportait le matricule principal, était en excellent état, elle était remontée avec des pièces neuves dont certaines étaient frappées au matricule de cette arme (mais pas toujours). Certaines de ces armes étaient reconnaissables par la frappe d’un rectangle dans lequel on pouvait trouver, par exemple sur un M.A.S. 36 : P 67 (reconstruite à Poitiers en 1967) ou sur un M.A.S. 49/56 : P 78 (reconstruite à Poitiers en 1978).
Le même principe était appliqué aux véhicules. Le matricule principal étant celui du châssis, si celui-ci était en parfait état tout était remplacé par des pièces et ensembles neufs. Seule l’immatriculation changeait avec le dernier chiffre de l’année de reconstruction, le chiffre du type de véhicule était augmenté de 4 et un nouveau numéro de série (XXXX) lui était attribué.
Exemple : une Jeep neuve de 1961 : 211 XXXX reconstruite en 1967 devenait : 275 XXXX
C’est à cela que l’on reconnaissait un véhicule reconstruit.
Bien entendu, j’écris au passé n’étant plus au courant des « nouvelles normes », avec tous les changements successifs intervenus depuis 1990.
Le service du matériel étant devenu arme du matériel et les ERM ou ERGM devenus R.MAT (Régiment du MATériel) ou BSMAT (Base de Soutien du MATériel).
total respect on sent le vécu J'ai été enfant de choeur et militant socialiste. C'est dire si j'ai entendu des conneries (M.AUDIARD)
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