Carabine espagnole "Destroyer" Catégorie ?

The Spanish Destroyer Carbine


Dan sent me some pictures of the Destroyer for my files and suggested that we include something on our site, so I took on the job of doing the research. I do not collect this carbine and before I started this article I knew very little about it. After researching for several weeks, I find that I still know very little about it. The original Destroyer was manufactured in about 1920. It had no locking lugs and used the bolt handle, locked in place, to contain the pressure. It was manufactured in 9mm Bergmann Bayard, also known as 9mm Largo, which was a pistol caliber used in Spain at the time. The later version looked like a scaled down model 1893 Mauser with many of the same operating features. This version included locking lugs, except the locking lugs are on the rear of the bolt and lock in a horizontal position. The bolt travel is also much less because of the shorter pistol ammunition. These carbines were made to be used by the Civil Guardia, (National Police) to provide a lighter weight, lighter recoil weapon than the Model 1893, which was in use at the time. The carbine saw extensive use in the Spanish Civil War. While two firms are believed to have made the Destroyer, Gaztanaga y Compania and Ayra Duria, the exact number of variations is unknown.
After writing the article above my research assistant (wife) ran across two additional articles that were written about the Destroyer,

http://www.9mmlargo.com/destroy/index.htm
and
http://www.9mmlargo.com/destroy/destroy_art.htm

providing some of the same information as well as additional info on proof codes and ammo.
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/destroyer.html

Ruby a écrit:Le monsieur continu toujours et encore et encore ............ Allons y ! Plus de pitié !

Fra78 a écrit:Municion.org sur le 38 super :
Cartucho introducido por Colt en 1929 como versión mejorada del .38 ACP. Cuidado! el tamaño es idéntico al .38 ACP, pero no su potencia. Disparar .38 Super en armas preparadas para el .38 ACP es muy peligroso.

Il est bien dit que la cartouche est identique au 38 ACP mais plus pêchue...
Les côtes sont identiques à qq 1/100 mm près...

CLOSDELIF a écrit:Certes pour le 9 largo...
MAIS
La carabine est bien marquée 38 ACP
Qui est bien un semi bourrelet, et qui est strictement semblable à la 38 super auto (sauf la charge)

CLOSDELIF a écrit:Mais enfin, je n'ai jamais dit ni laissé entendre que le 9 largo était similaire au 38 ACP :!:
Par contre, effectivement, si le marquage de calibre est une bidouille....Ceci expliquerait cela

Fra78 a écrit:Ma remarque sur le diamètre du bourrelet était que si l'extracteur a des pb avec des étuis 38 Super Auto, ils seront vraisemblablement pires avec des 9 Largo qui ont un bourrelet plus petit...
Par contre la gorge semble de largeur différente une piste ?)

CLOSDELIF a écrit:Quand tu as un corps de douille à 9,75 et le "bourrelet" à 10,31, plus une gorge entre les deux.....Cela s'appelle un "semi-bourrelet" :!: